tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post114849225006176731..comments2024-01-27T19:26:32.604-05:00Comments on Bubble Meter: Open ForumDavidhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11169148764438565562noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148681383519947002006-05-26T18:09:00.000-04:002006-05-26T18:09:00.000-04:00"We knew for certain the people from the real esta..."We knew for certain the people from the real estate industry have visited this blogsite. Do we knew for sure tha those people posted comments that contradict the bubble premise?"<BR/><BR/>We do not. Although I will investigate. :-)Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11169148764438565562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148673195881335892006-05-26T15:53:00.000-04:002006-05-26T15:53:00.000-04:00There's a big difference between random, bored emp...There's a big difference between random, bored employees surfing the web at the office, and housing industry employees making a planned and concerted effort to attempt to rebut the bursting bubble premise. Based upon a number of postings on your blog, I've seen that people here think that that the real estate industry has engaged in a widespread strategy of monitoring bubble blogs, and refuting bubbleheads as an attempt to prevent the public from being informed of the current market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148665241812057062006-05-26T13:40:00.000-04:002006-05-26T13:40:00.000-04:00david said"I do know that people are coming to thi...david said<BR/>"I do know that people are coming to this blog from organizations such as homebuilders, mortgage companies, real estate companies, etc."<BR/><BR/>We knew for certain the people from the real estate industry have visited this blogsite. Do we knew for sure tha those people posted comments that contradict the bubble premise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148663472149032362006-05-26T13:11:00.000-04:002006-05-26T13:11:00.000-04:00d in dc,I do know that people are coming to this b...d in dc,<BR/><BR/>I do know that people are coming to this blog from organizations such as homebuilders, mortgage companies, real estate companies, etc.<BR/><BR/>SEE: http://tinyurl.com/lqpb3Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11169148764438565562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148652349161059422006-05-26T10:05:00.000-04:002006-05-26T10:05:00.000-04:00The reoccurring theme that The Industrial Housing ...The reoccurring theme that The Industrial Housing Complex monitors and posts on this blog as a strategy to suppress the bursting of a bubble is one of the dumbest ideas floating around this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148649129690211702006-05-26T09:12:00.000-04:002006-05-26T09:12:00.000-04:00Or maybe some people just don't buy into the "sky ...Or maybe some people just don't buy into the "sky is falling" mentality of some bubbleheads. Stubborn people wedded to an idea are also known to fight fiercely in spite of any contrary evidence and despite leaps of logic. <BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148578007472335802006-05-25T13:26:00.000-04:002006-05-25T13:26:00.000-04:00It does seem possible that there are real estate d...It does seem possible that there are real estate dependant people trying to refute the bubble idea on this and other blogs. <BR/>1) Buyer confidence is an important component of real estate prices and sales. The more negative information available, the greater the decrease in buyer confidence.<BR/>2) Declining sales mean declining earnings for agents (real estate, mortgage, etc.)<BR/>3) If a person has a large exposure in real estate (big mortgage, new purchase, investor), then they are feeling cornered right now. Cornered people (and animals) are known to fight fiercely in spite of great odds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148556254746819092006-05-25T07:24:00.000-04:002006-05-25T07:24:00.000-04:00"You must argue consistently and cogently"This is ..."You must argue consistently and cogently"<BR/><BR/>This is not a trial. There are no musts. We express our opinions. I understand being irritated by misstated facts, but if someone here wanted me to do research to back up my opinion, I'd laugh. If you don't believe me, on an opinion blog, it's up to you to refute it.<BR/><BR/>Because I'm just posting, not trying to win a contest, or really try to convince the broader community.<BR/><BR/>You can ask questions, but you can't on a blog really demand that people "prove" something to you. If your refutation moves them, they'll respond in kind, if not, they won't.<BR/><BR/>Lots of huff and puff--neither side is going to blow this house down. Things will unfold regardless of what we say here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148533558336611562006-05-25T01:05:00.000-04:002006-05-25T01:05:00.000-04:00Yes, and thank you.Yes, and thank you.surfer-xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804776159601337659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148525588776019192006-05-24T22:53:00.000-04:002006-05-24T22:53:00.000-04:00Surfer-X,Do you also post on patrick.net as Surfer...Surfer-X,<BR/><BR/>Do you also post on patrick.net as Surfer-X?<BR/><BR/>BTW - your profile is one of the better things I have read in a while. You are a true master of the art of self-deprecating humor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148517980293381072006-05-24T20:46:00.000-04:002006-05-24T20:46:00.000-04:00As someone who is posting anonymously, let me make...As someone who is posting anonymously, let me make the distiction between Anonymous and screen name. With a screen name, your comments are traceable to your online identity. You must argue consistently and cogently and you can be questioned about something you said a few days ago or a few posts ago. Not so being anonymous. You can put forward an argument, and then knock down your own straw man.<BR/><BR/>Try being intellectually genuine. Nobody wants to know your name, address and phone number. We just want to know that your bull$hit is honest and consistent.<BR/><BR/>As an aside to David, as the MODERATOR of your blog, you can have whatever content your heart desires, but it is much more interesting when these RE shills are allowed to post and then refuted. Leave the intelligent but misguided posts up, and remove all the fluff. (both pro and con). Allow the trolls to get back to guarding bridges. Just my 2 cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148517933255495222006-05-24T20:45:00.000-04:002006-05-24T20:45:00.000-04:00What attacks? I don't see anything other than con...What attacks? I don't see anything other than constructive criticism - half of which has been gratuitously deleted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148510889822452192006-05-24T18:48:00.000-04:002006-05-24T18:48:00.000-04:00David,Don't let the turkeys get you down. I suspe...David,<BR/><BR/>Don't let the turkeys get you down. I suspect the number of attacks is proportional to the amount of fear in the market now.Marinitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01778945220593425787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148508921560875752006-05-24T18:15:00.000-04:002006-05-24T18:15:00.000-04:00bibba, Your rambling post makes no sense. I've pre...bibba, <BR/><BR/>Your rambling post makes no sense. <BR/><BR/>I've previously questioned David’s posts when they've seem appallingly subjective and unsubstantiated. Bubbleheads then attacked me as a real estate troll. <BR/><BR/>The truth is that I have no financial interest in real estate. In addition I think that DC prices will decrease 15-25% over next few years. Essentially, David and I agree in the end result, but we disagree about where we are in the process, and how we are going to get there. Let me give you an example:<BR/><BR/>Lets say, for instance, David posts: The sun rises in the east each morning because giant monkeys on Uranus pull up the sun with a complex system of ropes and pulleys.<BR/><BR/>Then say, for instance, I respond to David's post by saying there are no such monkeys, the ropes don't exist, and the no pulleys are large enough to lift the moon.<BR/><BR/>Note, we don't disagree on the conclusion that the sun rises in the east, we only disagree on the underlying details. Nevertheless, commenters like you would attack me for being in denial of the sun rising in the east. I know some people here refuse (or are unable) to make these distinctions, i.e., being critical of anonymous posters while they themselves post under meaningless nicknames, but I hope that this example helps.<BR/><BR/>I find many of these postings here to be completely ridiculous, and I will criticize as they deserve. That doesn't no mean I am "in denial" or a "bitter" homeowner. As I said, I anticipate price decreases.. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps you and the others should think more carefully before name calling and labeling people as trolls, it only makes you look more narrow minded, and undercuts the credibility of your posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148508536006055552006-05-24T18:08:00.001-04:002006-05-24T18:08:00.001-04:00OOOPS!What I meant to say is there is alot of post...OOOPS!<BR/><BR/>What I meant to say is there is alot of postings accussing people in the real estate industry are going to this blogsite specifically to dispell any theories about the housing bubble.<BR/><BR/>Anyway these accusations are nonsense!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148508500815644402006-05-24T18:08:00.000-04:002006-05-24T18:08:00.000-04:00i really enjoy hearing a bunch of people complain ...i really enjoy hearing a bunch of people complain and attack each other on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148507957889756632006-05-24T17:59:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:59:00.000-04:00Reality check needed here.Alot of postings stating...Reality check needed here.<BR/><BR/>Alot of postings stating that Real estate industry people are posting attacks against the bubble theory.<BR/><BR/>WHY?!<BR/><BR/>A small percentage of the DC metro area view in this blog. Second and more important people in the real estate industry are selling housing units. How is posting statements that the housing bubble is non-sense going to motivate the viewers to buy houses? Let's face it we are a tough audience. I think a person in the real estate industry is going to focus his efforts on media the reaches a broader audience in hopes in finding easy sells.<BR/><BR/>The bottom line is he won't find many buyers here, and certianly by just critizing any remarks that do support the bubble theory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148507470612582422006-05-24T17:51:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:51:00.000-04:00Oooh - a catfight!>All right, you're all too smart...Oooh - a catfight!<BR/><BR/>>All right, you're all too smart for me. I admit it, I post under anonymous because I am in fact a real estate >industry plant<BR/><BR/>Could be. If you stand to believe in the illusion that you'll benefit from prices going still higher. <BR/><BR/>I've posted on this before - most of you trolls have no idea about money or wealth. You will get higher prices - priced in monopoly money. Because thats what your money will be worth, if prices go higher.<BR/><BR/>On an abstract scale, housing is toast. It's going to be a drain on wealth for anyone who holds it now. Because the pricing power of money is going to fall faster than the prices of houses can rise. In fact if prices just hold, you will lose wealth at least at the inflation rate. And that's without taking into account the cost of interest, taxes etc.<BR/><BR/>Most of you trolls dont believe in what you post. <BR/><BR/>a)If houses are really valuable, David can do nothing to influence the price. So you guys are wasting your time trying to discredit David.<BR/><BR/>b)If housing is a just a pyramid scheme, then you just need to find a bigger fool to dump your house on to make money. In that case, David is trying to prevent people from being the fools who get left holding the bag. And discrediting David will benefit you. It will keep the flow of fools coming in.<BR/><BR/>If you think (a) is right, you are wasting your time. <BR/><BR/>If you feel (b) is right, you are admitting to yourself that housing is a Ponzi scheme. You just want everyone else to believe it's NOT a Ponzi scheme<BR/><BR/>The problem for you is that even if you discredit David, housing is not going to go up. You have just run out of fools. You are yet to realize your predicament.<BR/><BR/>>I'm sure NAR looks at this site for the same reason I do--humor.<BR/>>I'm not a realtor, a nervous home owner, or a jealous renter. I just read because these so many of these >paranoid posts are ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>You must not be a "nervous home owner". But a "non-nervous" home owner. Clever.<BR/>But still a home-owner. Why give up the possibility of making a fast buck, eh?<BR/><BR/>Oh, and he who laughs last, laughs best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148507051094273002006-05-24T17:44:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:44:00.000-04:00That is very insightful. Stay cloistered in your ...That is very insightful. Stay cloistered in your own little world. Don't listen to other viewpoints. <BR/><BR/>I don't see any blogs where everyone agrees on the future. So your's is a novel approach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148506698295231192006-05-24T17:38:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:38:00.000-04:00No. But a troll is someone who posts messages atta...No. But a troll is someone who posts messages attacking the idea of the blogger. A troll is someone who posts antagonizing in an online community that has different views from the troll himself. <BR/><BR/>This web site is a home for bubble heads. Real estate industry people who post under anonymous titles with the explicit goal of attacking the blogger and those who support the theory of bubble markets are by definition, TROLLS.ihateyuppieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14656529543240441687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148506296889215472006-05-24T17:31:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:31:00.000-04:00true.true.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11169148764438565562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148506239115803532006-05-24T17:30:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:30:00.000-04:00Like I said last week (without being deleted), jus...Like I said last week (without being deleted), just because you disagree with David you are not automaticlly a Troll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148505829732061552006-05-24T17:23:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:23:00.000-04:00I think David should have a "dialouge" with the re...I think David should have a "dialouge" with the real estate industry trolls on this board. Clearly, these people have a vested interest in the RE industry whether they are employees or investors. <BR/><BR/>If David created a BubbleMeter blog in 1999 during the stock market bubble, you would have stock brokers, mutual fund and 401K managers, and MBA Dot.com Heads posting attacks.ihateyuppieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14656529543240441687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148505425771991782006-05-24T17:17:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:17:00.000-04:00OOPS!!Did I say that out loud?OOPS!!<BR/><BR/>Did I say that out loud?surfer-xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03804776159601337659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13164186.post-1148505371761171072006-05-24T17:16:00.000-04:002006-05-24T17:16:00.000-04:00surfer-x. Great profile!surfer-x. <BR/><BR/>Great profile!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com